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Fox Mulder · May 04, 2008, 07:53 AM // 07:53

Hey, I noticed Olias is trying to cast Jagged Bones & Death Nova but JB only lasts for a second after trying several times. DN won't work at all despite him trying almost constantly. They are 30 sec enchants & don't even show up under his skill bar. Also, he continues to cast the animate spells even after his max 10 minions are reached. Anyone else having these problems?
Thanks

Jet Of Kiss · May 04, 2008, 08:05 AM // 08:05

They arent problems, Jagged Bones and DN are cast on the minions, So you wont see them as enchantments,

And its better he keeps getting minions, Soul Reaping + Not as much degen on the minions and full health again.

Hope i helped a bit =]

Snograt · May 04, 2008, 08:18 AM // 08:18

Yup, both [jagged [email protected]] and [death [email protected]] are enchants cast upon minions, not the caster. That's why there's no "enchant" icon below Olias' bar.

Also, by creating minions even after he has reached 10, he is being a good MM. He is ensuring that his minions are as strong as possible and, because creating another pair of minions kills the oldest pair of existing minions, he is ensuring a constant supply of Soul Reaping energy to himself, Master of Whispers and Livia.

That's how Sab's build works - synergy

(Note - he can and will cast Death Nova on you, or himself, if you're likely to die - he mostly spams it on his minions)

Asyntyche · May 04, 2008, 08:31 AM // 08:31

Quick question, would death nova activate if it was cast on a minion that was destroyed due to having more than 10 minions?

Snograt · May 04, 2008, 08:32 AM // 08:32

Yes indeedy.

gremlin · May 04, 2008, 09:05 AM // 09:05

I often run Olias with a Jagged bones death nova build he does a pretty good job.
Don't expect him to use Flesh golem intelligently though, its one necro skill the ai cannot handle.

Ultima pyromancer · May 04, 2008, 09:15 AM // 09:15

Read the use of the build before copy and pasting off pvx wiki

miskav · May 04, 2008, 09:47 AM // 09:47

First of all, Only maintained enchantments show up on that skillbar
And second of all, trying to make more then 10? o.O Can you say ''free bombs''?
He's being a good MM that way :P

MagmaRed · May 04, 2008, 12:30 PM // 12:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by miskav

First of all, Only maintained enchantments show up on that skillbarAnd second of all, trying to make more then 10? o.O Can you say ''free bombs''?
He's being a good MM that way :P

Actually, ALL enchantments show up there, bot just the maintained ones. Cast Protective Spirit, Death Nova, etc. and it is displayed on a hero skill bar panel.

As mentioned, the 2 spells you mentioned (Death Nova and Jagged Bones) are not cast on Olias, but on the minions. If you target the minions you will see an arrow on their health bar that is displayed when targeted. This is top indicate they have an enchantment on them. When an MM reaches 10 minions, he can't get 11. However, he can't keep 10 minions 100% of the time, even with Jagged Bones. Eventually the degen will kill them off faster then Jagged Bones will recharge. Plus, combat will kill them. Getting new ones means there is less degen, and it kills off the ones with degen which fuels the Soul Reaping battery.

Palek · May 04, 2008, 12:49 PM // 12:49

Because DN and JB Olias spends a lot of time for preparations before battle. So, if you dislike it, try next build:
DM 16/SR 13
Order of Undeath {E}
Animate Bone Horror
Animate Vampiric Horror
Animate Shambling Horror
Blood of Master
Anything for dmg: Deathly Swarm/Putrid Bile
Signet of Lost Souls
I use it and believe, that one is more power (in places, where aren't problems with flesh), that "classical" JB or Flesh Golem builds. Especially, if you have another necro in your team with this build: Curses 16/SR 13: SS, Desecrate/Defile Enchantments, Reckless Haste, Mark of Pain
Of course, you will have more offensive team and must have a good healing.

snaek · May 04, 2008, 03:15 PM // 15:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Palek

Because DN and JB Olias spends a lot of time for preparations before battle. So, if you dislike it, try next build:
DM 16/SR 13
Order of Undeath {E}
Animate Bone Horror
Animate Vampiric Horror
Animate Shambling Horror
Blood of Master
Anything for dmg: Deathly Swarm/Putrid Bile
Signet of Lost Souls
I use it and believe, that one is more power (in places, where aren't problems with flesh), that "classical" JB or Flesh Golem builds. Especially, if you have another necro in your team with this build: Curses 16/SR 13: SS, Desecrate/Defile Enchantments, Reckless Haste, Mark of Pain
Of course, you will have more offensive team and must have a good healing.

with [order of undeath] its usually a good idea to bring a self-heal
u really dun need 3 minions...
i'd do [animate vampiric horror] as main + [animate bone fiend] when its recharging
both these take the most advantage from [order of undeath]
as for self-heal [dark bond] + [blood renewal] should be good nuff

u'll find it quite energy intensive spamming 10en oou every 6s and 25en minions...so u mite consider [glyph of lesser energy]

HawkofStorms · May 04, 2008, 03:59 PM // 15:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultima pyromancer

Read the use of the build before copy and pasting off pvx wiki

QFT. At least read the skill's descriptions before thinking there is a bug.

Dervish Kid · May 04, 2008, 04:09 PM // 16:09

My Olias doesnt lvl up. I swear I've earned over 20k exp and he's still lvl15.

Palek · May 05, 2008, 02:57 PM // 14:57

snaek I'm agree about self-healing. Look at: Of course, you will have more offensive team and must have a good healing.
But I'm heal-monk with big experience and use addidional monk-prot-hench in my team.
About Dark Bond and Blood Renewal: I don't want to invest to Blood Magic. So I use Taste of Death or Foul Feast in hard places. Odinary I'd prefer 2 offensive skill, which Olias can use without minions.
About E-managment. This build is good only in flesh-rich places. Because of you mustn't have problems with energy (if you have enough Soul Reaping, of course). If you do, use odinary "Flesh Golem"-build.

pamelf · May 05, 2008, 03:15 PM // 15:15

off topic, but please, please, please, oh god please tell me you are not wearing a monk costume in that avatar...

GenericWasDanny · May 05, 2008, 10:20 PM // 22:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snograt

(Note - he can and will cast Death Nova on you, or himself, if you're likely to die - he mostly spams it on his minions)

that made me lol a lot.

Palek · May 06, 2008, 12:11 PM // 12:11

pamelf: User CP -> Edit Avatar -> Upload an Avatar From Your Computer

Snograt · May 06, 2008, 12:14 PM // 12:14

We know HOW to add an avatar - we're just wondering if that's a picture of YOU in a monk costume!

Paul thy god · May 06, 2008, 01:15 PM // 13:15

Obsidian Armor i believe......strange i thought ectoplasm came from ghosts, and we all know ghosts don't exist second of all where did you find the obsidian for it, and third, where is your local eternal forge master, i want some jagged black rocks inserted under my skin like the necro one.

Palek · May 07, 2008, 11:41 AM // 11:41

Very easy answer - I did this picture by Photoshop ). I have enough money to buy this armor, but I dislike to buy things, which are better only skins, but properties.

May 04, 2008, 07:53 AM // 07:53	#1
Fox Mulder Inde Censors Me Join Date: Aug 2006	Olias problems? Hey, I noticed Olias is trying to cast Jagged Bones & Death Nova but JB only lasts for a second after trying several times. DN won't work at all despite him trying almost constantly. They are 30 sec enchants & don't even show up under his skill bar. Also, he continues to cast the animate spells even after his max 10 minions are reached. Anyone else having these problems? Thanks

May 04, 2008, 08:18 AM // 08:18	#3
Snograt rattus rattus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: London, UK GMT??0 ??1hr DST Guild: [GURU]GW [wiki]GW2 Profession: R/	Yup, both [jagged [email protected]] and [death [email protected]] are enchants cast upon minions, not the caster. That's why there's no "enchant" icon below Olias' bar. Also, by creating minions even after he has reached 10, he is being a good MM. He is ensuring that his minions are as strong as possible and, because creating another pair of minions kills the oldest pair of existing minions, he is ensuring a constant supply of Soul Reaping energy to himself, Master of Whispers and Livia. That's how Sab's build works - synergy (Note - he can and will cast Death Nova on you, or himself, if you're likely to die - he mostly spams it on his minions) __________________ Si non confectus, non reficiat Last edited by Snograt; May 04, 2008 at 03:24 PM // 15:24..

May 04, 2008, 08:32 AM // 08:32	#5
Snograt rattus rattus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: London, UK GMT??0 ??1hr DST Guild: [GURU]GW [wiki]GW2 Profession: R/	Yes indeedy. __________________ Si non confectus, non reficiat

May 04, 2008, 12:49 PM // 12:49	#10
Palek Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Moscow, Russia Profession: Mo/Me	Because DN and JB Olias spends a lot of time for preparations before battle. So, if you dislike it, try next build: DM 16/SR 13 Order of Undeath {E} Animate Bone Horror Animate Vampiric Horror Animate Shambling Horror Blood of Master Anything for dmg: Deathly Swarm/Putrid Bile Signet of Lost Souls I use it and believe, that one is more power (in places, where aren't problems with flesh), that "classical" JB or Flesh Golem builds. Especially, if you have another necro in your team with this build: Curses 16/SR 13: SS, Desecrate/Defile Enchantments, Reckless Haste, Mark of Pain Of course, you will have more offensive team and must have a good healing. Last edited by Palek; May 04, 2008 at 12:51 PM // 12:51..

May 06, 2008, 12:14 PM // 12:14	#18
Snograt rattus rattus Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: London, UK GMT??0 ??1hr DST Guild: [GURU]GW [wiki]GW2 Profession: R/	We know HOW to add an avatar - we're just wondering if that's a picture of YOU in a monk costume! __________________ Si non confectus, non reficiat

May 04, 2008, 08:05 AM // 08:05	#2
Jet Of Kiss Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Mar 2008	They arent problems, Jagged Bones and DN are cast on the minions, So you wont see them as enchantments, And its better he keeps getting minions, Soul Reaping + Not as much degen on the minions and full health again. Hope i helped a bit =]

May 04, 2008, 08:31 AM // 08:31	#4
Asyntyche Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: UK Guild: [ptrm] Profession: D/	Quick question, would death nova activate if it was cast on a minion that was destroyed due to having more than 10 minions?

May 04, 2008, 09:05 AM // 09:05	#6
gremlin Furnace Stoker Join Date: Oct 2006 Guild: GWAR Profession: Me/Mo	I often run Olias with a Jagged bones death nova build he does a pretty good job. Don't expect him to use Flesh golem intelligently though, its one necro skill the ai cannot handle.

May 04, 2008, 09:15 AM // 09:15	#7
Ultima pyromancer Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jan 2007 Guild: Club Of A Thousand Pandas [LOD???] Profession: Me/	Read the use of the build before copy and pasting off pvx wiki

May 04, 2008, 09:47 AM // 09:47	#8
miskav Jungle Guide Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: None Profession: Mo/	First of all, Only maintained enchantments show up on that skillbar And second of all, trying to make more then 10? o.O Can you say ''free bombs''? He's being a good MM that way :P

May 04, 2008, 04:09 PM // 16:09	#13
Dervish Kid Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Florida Profession: D/	My Olias doesnt lvl up. I swear I've earned over 20k exp and he's still lvl15.

May 05, 2008, 02:57 PM // 14:57	#14
Palek Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Moscow, Russia Profession: Mo/Me	snaek I'm agree about self-healing. Look at: Of course, you will have more offensive team and must have a good healing. But I'm heal-monk with big experience and use addidional monk-prot-hench in my team. About Dark Bond and Blood Renewal: I don't want to invest to Blood Magic. So I use Taste of Death or Foul Feast in hard places. Odinary I'd prefer 2 offensive skill, which Olias can use without minions. About E-managment. This build is good only in flesh-rich places. Because of you mustn't have problems with energy (if you have enough Soul Reaping, of course). If you do, use odinary "Flesh Golem"-build.

May 05, 2008, 03:15 PM // 15:15	#15
pamelf Forge Runner Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Australia Guild: Lost Templars [LoTe] Profession: Me/Mo	off topic, but please, please, please, oh god please tell me you are not wearing a monk costume in that avatar...

May 06, 2008, 12:11 PM // 12:11	#17
Palek Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Moscow, Russia Profession: Mo/Me	pamelf: User CP -> Edit Avatar -> Upload an Avatar From Your Computer

May 06, 2008, 01:15 PM // 13:15	#19
Paul thy god Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jul 2007 Profession: N/Rt	Obsidian Armor i believe......strange i thought ectoplasm came from ghosts, and we all know ghosts don't exist second of all where did you find the obsidian for it, and third, where is your local eternal forge master, i want some jagged black rocks inserted under my skin like the necro one.

May 07, 2008, 11:41 AM // 11:41	#20
Palek Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Moscow, Russia Profession: Mo/Me	Very easy answer - I did this picture by Photoshop ). I have enough money to buy this armor, but I dislike to buy things, which are better only skins, but properties. Last edited by Palek; May 07, 2008 at 11:44 AM // 11:44..